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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:30:00 -
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Edited by: CB Apollo on 02/08/2006 08:31:10
Ive been looking at the crow, I need a setup that can orbit at 13km (ish) and have a 20km scram + MWD running forever.
In order to get that running forever on a crow you need 3 relays or one relay and a small battery II.
I also want max speed and damage I can get with the last 2 low slots and that one medium.
So I ended up with this:
3x Rocket Launcher II
1x Gistii MWD
1x Fleeting Warp Scram (20km)
1x Small Cap Battery II
1x Relay
1x Ballistic COntrol Syst II
1x Local Nanofiber Structure I
Max speed = 5,432 m/s
DPS = 86.287 with only tech 1 missiles
Range = 15.18 km (5062.5m/sec X 3 seconds)
*Runs forever*
I dont see alot tracking this, therefore its rather URBER. Is there any other ceptor that can meet these stats AND still hit the target?
If this went againt other ceptors they would loose every time I think.
This seriously needs a nerf!!!111oneoneone
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Jim McGregor
Old news. Crow is uber because it doesnt have to track.
Old news or not, I think all small turrets need a boost to range or tracking, coz its stupid how it is.
NO ceptor can orbit out of web range, MWD and scramble AND track the target so they can do that kind of damage?!
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dethis
Word on the street is crow is inty easy mode
Easy or not, any cant other races have intys that WORK. ALL other ships have to get in close and prey that the target dont have a webber. Its stupid that the crow can just sit out there and do this, while other ceptors struggle to get that long range, and when they do 90% of the time they cant track.... so whats the point.
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Crow is balanced and I prefer Raptor over Crow. If you nerf Crow, you will need to nerf many other Interceptors. 
Other ceptors cant sit at the holy 11-19km orbit and scramble, MWD and do nearly 100DPS FFS.
A crusader is the only thing that comes close, BUT its 60 DPS and cant track for s**t with dual light beams...
Its annoying how missiles get nerfed, then they are given a boost on different ways so they are still the same URBER wep for pvp.
The crow is also not affected by a sensor dampner, or a tracking disruptor or 5! Theres no way to limit the missiles range, or catch it.
The only thing fast enough (crusader) doesnt even have enough mids to fit a webber FFS.
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:46:00 -
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Lets do a comparison:
Blaster-Ranis vs crow = crow (ranis cant get in range)
Rail-Ranis vs crow = crow (ranis cant track crow)
Beam-Crusader vs crow = crow (crusader cant track crow)
Pulse-Crusader vs crow = crow (crusader cant get in range for long enough)
Claw-AC vs crow = crow (claw cant get in range for long enough)
Claw-ARTY vs crow = Crow (Claw cant track crow)
Any others?
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:48:00 -
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Edited by: CB Apollo on 02/08/2006 08:48:10
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 02/08/2006 08:42:06
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Crow is balanced and I prefer Raptor over Crow. If you nerf Crow, you will need to nerf many other Interceptors.
Jenny, do you ever agree that something Caldari might be a tad overpowered? Ive never seen that...
Caldari are not overpowered. They are balanced. They used to be overpowered though. Other races are not balanced and that is the reason Caldari appear to be overpowered at the moment.
What a load of woffle, so basically your saying Caldari WERE overpowered, now they are NOT, BUT its all the others that are no good.... So your basically saying that Caldari are still on top = Caldari are still overpowered.
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:51:00 -
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Ive used the setup at the very top, and vs ANY other ceptor 1vs1 in a belt etc, it wins every time. All I do is click ORBIT@14km and the F1 to F6 and go watch invader zim till I will.
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:53:00 -
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Edited by: CB Apollo on 02/08/2006 08:54:30
Originally by: Hakuin
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Crow is balanced with 2 mid and after you give at Ares, Claw and Crusader 3 mid slots
Fixed
I dont get this? Its not well written? Are you for or against Crow Nerf?
If your saying that to fix it we need to give Ares, Claw and Crusader 3 mid slots, then I suppose thats one way.
OR you can boost small wep tracking/range abit?
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Caldari are not overpowered. They are balanced. They used to be overpowered though. Other races are not balanced and that is the reason Caldari appear to be overpowered at the moment.
Ive decided Im not going to whine about game balance anymore though. Its pointless. Ill take the time and train for whatever ship I think is the best for what I want to do instead. 
Good good, dont let the forum door hit you on the way out. :)
Please resize your signature, oh and I love you - Jacques
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.08.02 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Hamatitio
Orbitting at 13km will get you killed very quickly.
Anyone can manually get within 10km to web you at which point, you are SOL.
Thats why most people sit at 19km with light missiles, which you lose against a claw setup with 280's... so it really is balanced, every setup has a counter... :)
A few nav skills later and your speed is URBER, therefore how is anyone suppose to close the gap?
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.08.02 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 02/08/2006 09:03:08
Originally by: CB Apollo
Good good, dont let the forum door hit you on the way out. :)
I'll still be here... checking out what the latest win buttons are. 
Well ceptor wise it still the crow.
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.08.02 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet
First, when fitting a Gistii-A + disruptor + the related cap mods to get the whole thing able to be on indefinitely, you don't have enough PG to fit T2 standard launchers or shield-related mods.
The above setup FITS and has PG to spare, AND it runs forever.
Originally by: Semkhet
Second, since you can't use a web, you must have the MWD on at all times in order to pursue your target, what means that it can easely jump out at a gate.
Crusader is the same...
Originally by: Semkhet
And I could go on and on... The basic point is that to use a crow in that configuration, the ship ends costing around 120 mil including the MWD and a faction disruptor. Then you need at least a set of LG snakes.
The disruptor is CHEAP as anything, and you can use t2 MWD and still outrun all other ceptors. Why would you need implants. Noone has said about them yet. So leave it.
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.08.02 09:49:00 -
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In a perfect world this is what I would change:
+1 medium slot for crusader but the 7.5% tracking bonus to 5%
Malediction missile bonus changed to 5% turret range and 2PG more
+1 medium slot for Ares
5PG more for Ranis
Claw 7.5% tracking bonus changed to 10%, +1 ,medium slot
Please resize your signature, oh and I love you - Jacques
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.08.02 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Edited by: Sarmaul on 02/08/2006 10:53:42
Give the crow a bloody huge mass and maybe nerf its base speed like the rest of Caldari missile ships have to keep them balanced.
See Jenny, this is what happens when you lower the mass of Caldari missile ships :P
And I thought we were past the "nerf caldari/amarr/minmatar/gallente". Just because certain ships need to be brought back in line doesn't mean you want to nerf the entire race 
The OP didnt say NERF CALDARI, it said nerf the crow or booth the others.
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.08.02 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: steveid
Originally by: Deja Thoris
You cant balance a ship around a named uber module that costs 5x the price of the ship you fit it to.
I win this thread.
QFT. Perhaps what we really need is faction small reps ... that way you'd laugh at the measly 100 dps a crow puts out.
I'm not serious btw, but he has a point. Besides its not like were talking about t2 bs's here, its ceptors. The skill time needed to get good at a crow isn't THAT much really. Crow is the best ceptor / ceptor fighter. Other races have better ships for other things.
So other races ceptors should just selfdestruct if they see a crow?
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.08.02 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Fogy
Ok.. my chois was caldari when i started playing this game.. i didnt know ****t about it.. other than what i picked up from playing during the last 2 weeks of the BETA. i spotted a raven back then and followed it in my bantam for several jumps caus i thought it looked so freeken awsome!
so.. im caldari by race.
i can fly minmatar, galente and caldari intys and AF¦s all out T2
my personal favourite is the claw, gimped by only having 2 middslots, i still love them.
taranis is nice, even the ares.
but crows i think suck.. theyr popp like wett paperbaggs, and theyr dps isnt that grate compared to other ceptors.
theyr only bennefit is beeing easy to use at long range.. but a close range ceptor with abit of brains can easily outmanuver you and gett away
Iw killd and lost all the ceptors i can fly, with every one of them.. and IMHO there isnt any ceptor beeing overpowerd compared to any other one.. its all up the the pilots OOG skills at using them.
for the missile whinage..
ok missiles "always hitts" BUT: 1 with enough speed even precition cruise will do 0.1 dmg on you... and they got a fix maximum dmg.
on turrets on the other hand.. you can gett everything from 0.1 - ****t high wrecking hitts..
nerf or boost any way you like.. but then give missiles a chanse to gett wreking hitts aswell.
Ohh and, i got about 3mill in missile skills, but 8mill in gunnery!
Ravens are for carebears.. real men fly gun shipps 
Cheers!
Fogy
No mention of amarr ceptors?
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.08.03 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Omatje
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
The crow doesn't need a nerf...CCP just needs to fix turret tracking calculations for the guy who is orbiting.
An orbiting frigate's guns should barely have to move at all to track the ship he's firing on.
And the claw needs an extra 10km of lock range.
Then it will be balanced.
nail.... head...
Holy Crap this man has it!!! CCP READ THIS POST, and if you do it well all donate millions to this guy!!!! THIS IS TRUE, DO THIS, DOOOOO THIIIIIISSSSS! lol
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Posted - 2006.08.03 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard
Minmatar pilots whining about a ship that has no counter? You've got the single most annoying ship in terms of pinning it down and killing it in the game.
It's almost got to a point where you have to have 2+ ships to kill it.
I'll tell you the problem here, Minmatar just have a far stronger voice when it comes to complaining than the rest of us.
Please just fly the bloody Caldari ships then come back with your changed attitude.
N1.
Noo, I like the parts about tracking!!! do that!!!
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.08.03 13:09:00 -
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Edited by: CB Apollo on 03/08/2006 13:14:24
Insult? I think that it was the fix, I was being true saying DO THIS CCP etc.... Im FOR it!
This is truely the most spartest quote to FIX EVE, if this was done then combat with turrets would truly work!
Originally by:
The crow doesn't need a nerf...CCP just needs to fix turret tracking calculations for the guy who is orbiting.
An orbiting frigate's guns should barely have to move at all to track the ship he's firing on.
Then it will be balanced.
I think that is really what would fix alot of turret problems, if someones orbiting you the yea you need tracking coz they are wizzing around you like a nut case, but they dont need tracking coz there weps ARE still in relation to the ship.
This will give such a needed boost to turrets of all kinds, IM SERIOUS!
Please resize your signature, oh and I love you - Jacques
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cohkka
Originally by: welsh wizard
Minmatar pilots whining about a ship that has no counter? You've got the single most annoying ship in terms of pinning it down and killing it in the game.
It's almost got to a point where you have to have 2+ ships to kill it.
I'll tell you the problem here, Minmatar just have a far stronger voice when it comes to complaining than the rest of us.
Please just fly the bloody Caldari ships then come back with your changed attitude.
N1.
Maybe it's because we had to whine for about 6 months untill our guns were fixed? During that time most Minmatar switched to Amarr and Caldari.
Yeah, and I've done what you're suggesting. There are some things Caldari are extremly good at and some things Caldari are ****. Missiles need another look at and I think these problems will be fixed, too.
Missiles dont need to be looked at, THIS is the fix we need:
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
The crow doesn't need a nerf...CCP just needs to fix turret tracking calculations for the guy who is orbiting.
An orbiting frigate's guns should barely have to move at all to track the ship he's firing on.
Then it will be balanced.
Please resize your signature, oh and I love you - Jacques
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